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Bit complicated, so best to explain how it all works
It used to be the case they could only chase the driver of the vehicle for these charges. The reason being when the driver parks in a car park and sees the warnings / parking notices ect then it is deemed they have accepted the T&C's for parking in the carpark and consent to any potential charges for breaking them.
This meant it was hard to enforce. Companies would chase the registered keeper of the vehicle but that didn't mean they were the driver so they couldn't do much. They could refer it to debt collectors but not much more.
Since October 2012 in England though, they now are allowed to chase the registered keeper for monies owed. It's up to the registered keeper to name the driver if it wasn't them (this hasn't rolled out to Scotland yet though)
If they take it to court, all they can do is charge you for the fees incurred for hiring debt collectors and admin / layer fees for the letters they sent you.
They can only enforce the actual fine from parking there however and chase that money if they can prove they lost income by you parking there. The car park would need to be owned by them as well to be succesful
Since the fine is usually lower than the charges from potential debt collection and admin fees from lawyers, most people usually just pay that instead.
Bit complicated, so best to explain how it all works
It used to be the case they could only chase the driver of the vehicle for these charges. The reason being when the driver parks in a car park and sees the warnings / parking notices ect then it is deemed they have accepted the T&C's for parking in the carpark and consent to any potential charges for breaking them.
This meant it was hard to enforce. Companies would chase the registered keeper of the vehicle but that didn't mean they were the driver so they couldn't do much. They could refer it to debt collectors but not much more.
Since October 2012 in England though, they now are allowed to chase the registered keeper for monies owed. It's up to the registered keeper to name the driver if it wasn't them (this hasn't rolled out to Scotland yet though)
If they take it to court, all they can do is charge you for the fees incurred for hiring debt collectors and admin / layer fees for the letters they sent you.
They can only enforce the actual fine from parking there however and chase that money if they can prove they lost income by you parking there. The car park would need to be owned by them as well to be succesful
Since the fine is usually lower than the charges from potential debt collection and admin fees from lawyers, most people usually just pay that instead.
They have taken a few people to court and each time they have failed so far.
Not sure whether to play dumb about not receiving letters, and just plead my case or not
I would write back, advise you have a permit to park there but unfortunately on that day it had fallen down/you had forgotten it/what ever. As they haven't lost any money by you parking there they can't charge you any money.
Originally posted by Dave
Originally posted by Stephen Fry
[B]"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."
As said though, for Vegas, parking eye have not lost any money as he had a pass to park there, all he needs to do is provide his pass number or a copy of it and even if they take him to court they will lose as they cannot prove a 'loss' as there hasn't been one.
Originally posted by Dave
Originally posted by Stephen Fry
[B]"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."
Well all, except one, of the ones you have posted were 'wins' from uncontested claims. Basically the defendant didn't respond so they won.
The one which isn't is from a very poor defense.
So my statement was wrong, they have won one case from the numerous court summons they have sent out.
By unbiased I meant, using parking eyes' own evidence eithout doubly checking is never going to be a reliable source.
Originally posted by Dave
Originally posted by Stephen Fry
[B]"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."
Also the 100% wins are from POPKA appeals. Vegas post on peppipoo and they'll help you sort it
Originally posted by Dave
Originally posted by Stephen Fry
[B]"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."
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