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    How much would it cost to LPG...

    A monaro? Is it equvilent to double mpg? Any hidden costs?

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    LPG conversion - a helpful guide
    You may have heard of Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG) but did you know that you could potentially cut your fuel bills by as much as 40% by installing an LPG converter? This guide to LPG conversion will examine how the process works, its advantages and disadvantages and how you can get LPG conversion for your vehicle.

    What is LPG and what is LPG conversion?
    Liquefied petroleum gas is a convenient energy source used for many purposes including for heating and cooking, as well as for vehicle fuel. Forty per cent of LPG comes from refining crude oil and 60% comes from field production.
    The number of vehicles using LPG (also referred to as 'autogas') as an alternative to petroleum is growing rapidly. Recent estimates suggest there are more than 11million vehicles using LPG worldwide, with four million of those located in Europe.
    Of course you can't simply use LPG in a vehicle that is accustomed to taking petroleum. Consequently, LPG conversion is seen as a straightforward and cost effective way of altering a petrol vehicle to run on LPG.
    Refuelling with LPG.

    How do you get your car converted?
    If you are interested in an LPG conversion you must be willing to make a significant outlay - most LPG conversions cost between 1,500 and 2,000. However, many LPG enthusiasts claim this money can be recouped in one-two years with the money you save at the pump.
    The process is straightforward but should be carried out by an LPGA-approved garage. All approved installers should make sure the right system and installer are used for your car and should carry out a conversion based on safety, environmental impact, reliability and value for money.
    You will need to have significant space for the LPG tank - which is often fitted into the boot of the vehicle, sometimes in the spare wheel well. Some dashboards will be fitted with a device allowing you to switch between LPG and petroleum, while the refuelling point will be placed near to the existing petroleum refuelling point.
    There are many LPGA approved LPG conversion centres at garages across the UK.

    What are the advantages and disadvantages of LPG conversion?
    LPG has significant environmental and financial benefits as outlined below:
    Reduces carbon emissions - By converting to LPG you can automatically reduce your environmental impact as the amount of carbon dioxide your vehicle produces decreases. Compared to most petroleum vehicles, LPG vehicles produce 20% less CO2.
    Other environmental benefits - Even though LPG vehicles have similar CO2 output to diesel cars, they do have other advantages. They are much quieter than diesel engines, LPG quickly evaporates if a spillage occurs and produces fewer particulates and nitrogen oxides.
    Reduces reliance on petrol and diesel - Currently the UK produces around six million tonnes of LPG every year of which around three million tonnes are exported. There is vast room for growth and there are already around 1,300 refuelling stations across the UK.
    Price at the pump - The Government has shown significant support for LPG with low duty by comparison to petrol and diesel. As a result LPG is substantially cheaper at the pumps than petrol and diesel. It is estimated that a high mileage driver can save as much as 40% of their fuel costs with LPG compared to petrol, and 20% compared to diesel.
    Congestion charges/road tax - Cars that run on LPG qualify for reduced taxation as they fit into lower tax bands. Many LPG vehicles are also exempt from congestion charges such as those in the city of London, Richmond and Westminster.
    There are some disadvantages to consider too, before you decide if LPG conversion is right for you:
    Initial cost - It is important to have a fully trained LPG conversion specialist carry out the installation on your car. Generally this costs from 1,500-2,000.
    Servicing/insurance costs - The LPG fuel system will need servicing at approximately 12,000 miles or typically once a year. Overall, these costs should be less than a typical diesel engine. You should also consider your insurance costs, as some insurance companies may charge an excess for an LPG approved conversion (others will not).
    Mileage range/petrol stations - Not all petrol stations sell LPG, though the number is increasing. Typically you will not be able to travel as far on a full tank of LPG as you would on a full tank of petrol. However, with the petrol tank usually left in place during a conversion you can always use petrol as a back-up.
    Warranties - Bear in mind that your manufacturer's warranty could be affected by an LPG conversion.
    Taken from http://www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk/...helpful-guide/
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    1,500 would take a year however it's a big upfront lump.

    Anything to look for when buying a ready converted car?

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    regarding what to look for- you essentially want to check the install for the following:

    Neat and secure tank installation

    No damage to either the fill line (to the tank) or the feed line (to the engine)

    Proper installation of injectors and feed lines into the Inlet manifold- they're usually mounted in holes drilled into the manifold.

    Basically, if it looks neat, has a certificate and you cant smell gas, its probably ok.
    nly advice I was given was make sure it's been serviced regularly and recently, make sure it switches over ok, ensuring the car runs ok on it.
    Also if the check engine light is on and the seller says all lpg cars do that, it's not true. Badly installed kit, running too lean or worn ignition components causing misfires are the usual reasons for it so tread with care.

    On the test drive you shouldn't be able to tell what fuel you're running on apart from maybe a slightly softer throttle response on LPG (and I do mean slightly, should be hardly noticeable if at all)
    From Buying and LPG car. what to look for - PistonHeads

    Buying a pre-owned LPG vehicle

    Some vehicles will have been manufactured with an LPG option already fitted and this will usually be reflected in the model details on the V5 "log book".
    Most vehicles will have been converted after manufacture by a different company and you need to ensure that the appropriate LPG system has been installed and fitted in a safe and satisfactory manner. To ensure this and guarantee that you and the person you may sell your vehicle to can get insurance the vehicle needs to be on the UKLPG Vehicle Register.
    Please remember that this advice relates only to the LPG aspects of a vehicle and is in addition to the normal enquiries and precautions that you should take when buying a second hand vehicle.
    What documentation should there be with the vehicle?

    The V5 "log book" - typically this will refer to the model as a "bi-fuel", "dual fuel", or "LPG". In addition the vehicle will have the manufacturer's handbook for LPG operation.

    When a vehicle is converted to run on LPG the DVLA should be informed and will note the additional fuel in the fuel section.

    Reference to LPG in this section does not necessarily mean that the vehicle was originally manufactured with LPG. If in doubt, contact the vehicle manufacturer or manufacturer's dealer.

    Most vehicles have been converted after manufacture by a different company. You need to be sure that:
    The LPG system is suitable for the vehicle - unsuitable LPG equipment can lead to engine damage and/or catalytic converter damage.
    The LPG system has been installed in a safe and satisfactory manner.
    Check that you vehicle is on the UKLPG Vehicle Register - click here and type in your vehicle registration number.
    From LPG Autogas - the greener, cleaner and cheaper fuel alternative
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    I would look if the conversion was done at the professional centre, it will come with a LPG installation certificate if it was. LPG is a good idea, I think I remember reading that the government would give grants to do this. I may have been a limited period thing.

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    I had a 2000 omega 2.2 estate that ran LPG, it had a wheel well fitted 50l tank so didn't loose boot space, it was an Early Italian made kit and service parts were hard to find, filters need changing yearly....

    Make sure it has a certificate, some ins companies will not insure you unless it's on the log book, all will want to se a copy of the certificate, I had no certificate with mine so ended up paying over 800 to insure it and having specialist modified ins through Adrian flux....

    mine did 256 miles to a tank of gas and just over 700 combined with petrol

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    What did the cost compared to a petrol come out at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    What did the cost compared to a petrol come out at?
    a full tank of lpg was between 33-38 to fill depending on where I got it from, the prices seemed to fluctuate between dealers but at the time it was around 79ppl, find a good reliable place and you can get it taxi rates, normaly around 5ppl cheaper...
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    30 to do 250 miles doesn't seem that great or am I working it out wrong?

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    well in my 1.6 diesel focus estate I get about 650miles to 60 worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    30 to do 250 miles doesn't seem that great or am I working it out wrong?
    According to Ditch-P's calculation yes

    Here's an article from February he did 427 miles in a 1.4 Rover 25 usually costing him 112 but only costing him 60 on LPG which is essentially half the cost

    My week with an LPG car
    Last edited by jt999; 28-11-2013 at 06:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    30 to do 250 miles doesn't seem that great or am I working it out wrong?
    thats right yes...it was after all a 2.2 omega estate and it was used for work so mostly always fully loaded, that only averaged around 17 mpg in town, i used the car mainly like this but to do the same mileage in petrol it would have cost me at least 50 if not more to do the same sort mileage....

    On a run the car was much better on fuel and that's when it cam into its own to speak, I had a 50 l tank iris but it can never be fully filled with LPG as you have to allow foe expansion etc, think the most I got in it was 47l before the machine just cut out...


    there was was a guy on vectra c a few years ago that fitted LPG to his diesel vectra, he was getting over 1000 mpg with the 2 tanks filled, I know my vectra diesel does around 650 miles to a tank of fuel and that costs over 120 nowdays....
    vectra c i35, corsa LE #035, 5-door arizona....5 door demon.

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